Beyond Limits: Inspiring Narratives Of Disability And Triumph With Kevin McShan Of Let’s Have This Conversation

In this inspiring episode, Tracy Hazzard engages in a powerful and insightful conversation with Kevin McShan, a captivating professional speaker, journalist, and disability advocate. Highlighting inspiring narratives of disability and triumph in his show, Let’s Have This Conversation, Kevin showcases his commitment to diversity and inclusion. Kevin opens up about his journey, resilience, and the pivotal moments that shaped his life. With warmth and authenticity, he provides valuable insights into his podcasting approach, emphasizing the significance of humanizing people and creating meaningful, informed conversations. This episode serves as a gateway to understanding the profound impact of inclusion on independence and shines a light on Kevin’s unwavering passion to promote equality and empower individuals with disabilities.

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Beyond Limits: Inspiring Narratives Of Disability And Triumph With Kevin McShan Of Let’s Have This Conversation

I’m so excited for this guest, Kevin McShan. I loved being interviewed by him so much that I had to invite him back on the show. That’s one of the beautiful things about everything podcasting. It’s that you have this opportunity to meet people, do a swap, and trade out. I loved everything about him. He made me feel so included and valued as a guest. He really took the time to research me. He made me feel seen. That’s why I wanted to bring him right here to you and make sure that you know him.

Kevin McShan is one of the most engaging and captivating professional speakers and disability advocates I have ever met. He’s also a journalist. That’s where his expertise has come from. Areas of employment, equity, diversity, and inclusion make him an effective and in-demand transformational speaker for human resource professionals and organizations looking to build an inclusive culture.

He worked with the Ontario Chamber of Commerce on the Discover Ability Network project in the region of Windsor Essex. In this role, he was responsible for linking businesses to the Discover Ability Network website, an online job-matching portal for employers and job seekers with disability, which was the first in Ontario’s history. He’s worked with the Ontario government to champion employment opportunities for people of all abilities. He’s the proud recipient of the 2012 Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal for his commitment to promoting equality and individuals with disabilities.

I take it you’re going to know here that Kevin has some kind of disability, but here’s the thing. None of it is an excuse. He has been an amazing contributor to the podcast market and the podcasting industry advocating for diversity inclusion and the We Are Able movement. The impact that he has had by being there, by showing up every day, by overcoming that microphone, and all the issues that he may have around making a podcast happen makes you feel that if you’re still sitting back and not launching your show, there is no excuse for you. There are no excuses left in the world.

I want you to read this. There are some things that come across in this interview, like how long it took him to get paid in some of his jobs. There are people out there who are complaining that it’s been 30 days and they haven’t made a dime on their podcast yet. I want you to know Kevin because the no excuses model here really applies.

He has some beautiful advice for you from a professional journalist perspective that he has learned the hard way because, in the sports journalism world where he comes from, that is not an easy thing. Inclusion is a gateway to independence. It is the one thing he said to me that really resonates. I want you to read with that openness in mind. Let’s go. This is Kevin McShan. Let’s Have This Conversation is the name of his podcast.

About Let’s Have This Conversation Host Kevin McShan

The Binge Factor | Kevin McShan | Narratives Of DisabilityKevin McShan is an engaging and captivating professional speaker, disability advocate and journalist. Kevin’s expertise in the areas of employment equity, diversity and inclusion make him an effective and in demand transformational speaker for human resources professionals and organizations looking to build an inclusive culture. Kevin worked with the Ontario Chamber of Commerce on the Discover Ability Network project in the region of Windsor-Essex. In this role, he was responsible for linking businesses to the Discover Ability Network website; an online job matching portal for employers and job seekers with a disability. Which was the 1st in Ontario’s history.

McShan has also worked with the Ontario Government to help appoint a special Advisor to “champion employment opportunities for people of all abilities in the public and private sectors.” Kevin is a proud recipient of the 2012 Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal for his commitment to promoting equality for individuals with disabilities. He was also the recipient of a Community Excellence Award from Community Living Essex.

Finally, McShan received the 2015 Influential Advocate Award from Assisted Living Southwestern Ontario, for his work in promoting employment and societal equality on behalf of individuals with disabilities in Windsor-Essex. Louie DiPalma, Vice-President of SME programs with the Ontario Chamber of Commerce, says McShan’s leadership on diversity and inclusion is superior. adding McShan has been a great champion for the program. “He’s been terrific asset for the team because he really understands the community, he understands the issues. He has many connections, so he’s been a real asset in trying to forward the notion of creating a hiring hub for persons with disabilities.”

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Kevin, I am so glad to have you back and be with you again. Let’s Have This Conversation is your show. People forget that it’s a podcast. They think it’s a show, but it’s still a conversation. It’s a conversation with you, me, and the audience.

First and foremost, I want to accept my most heartfelt thanks for having me on the program. I started the program about a few years ago. I looked at the world and said to myself, “There has to be more that binds us together rather than finding ways to bring us apart. If we spend more time and energy in bringing things together and finding more what I call bridges of unity, we would be in a much healthier place from a societal perspective.”

My show is all about bringing people together from different industries. We talk about what really moves the needle of progress forward. We’re all on earth for an infinite amount of time. Life is that we all have a declaration date at some point. The last line of my biography is that the tragedy of life isn’t when it ends. It’s refusing to live when they still have everything. I want to bring people together to have meaningful conversations that move the needle of progress forward.

I love that visual of bridges. It’s something that is so critically important in innovation, technology, and all the different areas where we do things where we’re like, “This is the goal. Go over here.” We don’t help people get to that place. Sometimes, we need to mentally move to that place. Sometimes, we need to emotionally move to that place, and sometimes, we need to technically move to the place. We need to know the how-to.

My mission and vision for the show is to really start the conversation. I interview people sometimes that I don’t necessarily agree with all the time. The great thing about taking a journalistic approach to this show is that you have the ability to challenge, push back, or promote things from an objective point of view because you want to give people a platform of information to make meaningful and informed decisions. I hope I do that through the lens of the program, for sure.


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You said that too many podcasters don’t think of themselves as journalists. They don’t think about objectivity as necessary and journalistic integrity as necessary, but you’ve thought about that. Do you have journalistic training or is this something that you developed as the show went on?

The Benefits Of Hiring Folks With Disabilities

I originally started my career and I graduated college as a sports reporter. I graduated college in 2010. I’ll tell you a quick story. I was born with what’s called spastic quadriplegia cerebral palsy. When I graduated college and I went to have interviews with news directors, they would look at me and say at the time, “You have a lot of energy and a lot of enthusiasm. We think you would be an asset for our organization or for our newsgroup, but because of your disability, we view you as a liability.” I took that as fuel to prove those who wouldn’t hire me wrong.

What I did was outside of college, after I graduated, I spent four years as a volunteer sports reporter at a local television station without a paycheck. I worked for four years as a television sports reporter and a general assignment reporter. Through my advocacy work and advocating for folks with disabilities through sports, news, and all the other things about inclusion, the Ontario government saw me.

I had a chance to work with the Ontario government to coin a special master to look into the benefits of hiring inclusively and why that’s so important. Through that, I worked with the Ontario Trillium Foundation. After that project was over, it was called We Are Able. It was intended to hire folks with disabilities and show employers the benefits of that. Through that experience, we hired a total of 30 people and gave 31 local presentations through employers. We told them all about the benefits of hiring folks with disabilities.

The final piece to that is my signature accomplishment in the inclusive employment space. Through that experience, I was appointed as the First Lead Ambassador for a project called the Discover Ability Network, which was Ontario’s first online job-matching portal for individuals and employers to get connected. During my time with the Ontario Chamber of Commerce, we were able to get a total of 70 people employed in our local region. I was the local ambassador for the network. For the first year and a half of the endeavor, we got 70 people either a job placement or an internship. We also connected the network with fifteen total employers.

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Narratives Of Disability: I want to bring people together to have meaningful conversations that move the needle in the progress forward.


I’ve had, certainly, a story of resilience and redemption in some circles. That’s partly how I became a motivational speaker. We can get into that as you wish, but to go back to your original question, I started my career as a sports reporter. I didn’t stay that way after the 4 or 5 years that I volunteered as a general assignment reporter. Life has a way of taking us through many different directions and fast, doesn’t it?

It does. Being a reporter is hard. It’s hard in general. You have to build rapport with whoever your source is if you’re trying to get information or whoever you’re interviewing. There’s a lot of similarity to being a podcaster because we have to do that in a short period of time. We’ve got to do it in this one hour that we have together. Do you use any skills that you learned as a reporter as a podcaster?

What I try to do as a podcaster is be a relatable podcaster. What I mean by that is I look for ways to humanize people as a podcaster. The first lesson they ever teach you in journalism school is to localize everything. In the podcasting world, I look for connections to how this issue that I’m talking about gives the audience intellectual or factual value. Conversely, how can I use their experience to leverage getting a personal connection out of them?

One of the strengths I believe that I have as a reporter is making people show their more personal side . Podcasting is all about having conversations and authentically connecting with people. If you can humanize people, that’s the biggest lesson that I’ve taken from my journalism training in terms of having a conversation with people.

I always like to analyze everybody’s binge factor on their show. You are right about that. This is your strength. The strength of Let’s Have This Conversation, the show itself, is you have a way of disarming people. You’re getting them to let their chips off their shoulders a little bit, be human, and answer the questions.

You must prepare in a really great way. I would love to hear about your preparation because I feel like you already saw me before you interviewed me. You are already seeing me as a human being before you interview me. Every question you ask shows me that you saw something in me that I might’ve put out there, that I might’ve said, or that might have been there. You are listening and that feels really connective and valuable.

The 12 Questions Of Consequence

The number one that any authentically good podcaster has is the ability to listen to you. I appreciate the compliment. Part of my process is I research people, and then I come up with what I call the twelve questions of consequence. I structure twelve questions from researching people. Sometimes, I follow them to a T depending on who I’m interviewing and the time constraints they give me if they give me time constraints. Sometimes, if I listen to something, I know that it will have rhythmic value to my listeners or watchers if I go off script. Listening is important, but my process starts with creating what I call the twelve questions of consequence. We then have a conversation from there.

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I love that consequence. You’re really thinking about, “What’s the result going to happen for me asking this question? What’s in it for my audience? What’s in it for me to learn? Is this something that this person has a value for?” Consequence has such weight to it. That is beautiful.

People always ask me why I’m so resilient and why I’m so positive about life. I’ll share this story and then I’ll tie it back to your question about consequences. I was born with what’s called spastic quadriplegia cerebral palsy. I found out at the age of nine that I would not be able to walk without assistance because of the severity of my CP for the duration of my life. I always tell people that the motto that I live my life by is that inclusion is the gateway to independence and everyone has a story to share.

One of the reasons I went into journalism initially was because I believe that every individual, regardless of race or socioeconomic background, deserves a platform to share their story in a non-objective and unbiased way. Having a sense of consequence also allows me to have a sense of humility and to humanize the person. If we can all operate from a position of diversity and use diversity and inclusion as a strength, our perspectives on life would be so much better. That’s my philosophy as a podcaster.

I love that. I’ve done so many interviews and I know you have, too. The more interviews we do, if it were the same all the time, it would be incredibly difficult for me to keep my energy up. For me to be able to keep doing this, I have to be interested too. The diversity creates that. That’s so important. You’re pointing out that diversity creates this richness of energy for you to keep exploring.

I’m going to tell you a quick story. I only have a two-year college diploma. Some people say, “Why wouldn’t you expand your education?” For me, four years of college wasn’t in the cards because of my life circumstances and disability. I used podcasting as a vehicle to learn. No matter how many degrees you have on a wall or how many years you went to school, you can learn something from somebody that you have aligned yourself with. Everyone has a different life experience.

Podcasting is a great way to learn, grow, and prosper. Sometimes, I use what I learned from other people when I interview my next guest or a guest that I have down the line. I reference questions sometimes and ask other guests. I ask them their perspective on starting a conversation. I’ll give you an example. Outside of hosting my podcast, I work with businesses about amplifying the need to hire folks with disabilities because the rate of employment for folks with disabilities is significantly lower than their non-disabled counterparts.

What I try to do on every one of my podcasts is ask whoever I’m interviewing, no matter what line of life they come from, what is their view of diversity and inclusion and how hiring folks with disabilities creates a competitive advantage. Life is all about creating your competitive advantage so that you can help other people prosper in their own life. You said something earlier about not being bored. The way we stop falling victim to boredom is by learning. I believe that networking is the heartbeat of life because every connection you make is an opportunity to make a difference in the world. I view podcasting, networking, and building relationships as my lifeblood or heartbeat of life, if that makes sense.

Since you’re such an expert in the diversity and inclusion area and you do advise, this is a really good time for us to talk about how to make sure that we’re creating diversity and inclusion in the guests that we’re selecting for the show. I have a lot of podcasters that are reading this. You interview 2 to 3 people a week, so you’ve got a lot of people you’re putting into your model. How are you out there looking and saying, “Is this filling my goals of diversity? Is this adding to the inclusion that I want to create in the world and the impact that I want to have?” Are you doing that with an intention in mind? Is there a process that you use that you could share with us?

The Four-Tier System

Yeah. My process is a four-tier system. The first thing that I look at is, “What’s the inclusion angle? Can I use this? Can I multipurpose this for when I give speeches to businesses? Can I repurpose the content in clips to give to audiences about how important it is to hire folks with disabilities?”

You’re thinking about the ultimate outcome of how you’re going to use it as important when you’re making your selection process.

That’s right. How can I add value to the audience that I speak to? What’s my level of interest in their own story? Could I humanize myself to make the conversation more authentic? What is the relevant value that I’m adding to that person I am extending an invitation to my podcast? Those are the four-tier system that I use when I go recruit a guest from my podcast and also how I can use it if I agree to be a guest on somebody else’s podcast.

I love that model. You called it to recruit a guest. It’s like human recruiting. You’re right about that. I love that term.

I spend a lot of time talking to business owners, so I recruit all the time, whether it be for podcasting or putting myself out there as a public speaker. It comes full circle every day.

Let’s talk about some of the benefits that you’ve received as a podcaster. You started on this journey a few years ago. You have undoubtedly gotten some speaking engagements, made connections, and other things. I’m going to call them residual benefits because they’re not always monetary, but they do sometimes lead to monetary. They lead to a client. They lead to something more. What are some of those residual benefits that you found from podcasting?

There’s a great platform that we found each other on called PodMatch. The great thing about PodMatch is if you interview certain people, they give you a commission for interviewing that person. Getting some extra money in my pocket is always a good thing. I also use podcasting to create strategic partnerships for speaking.

I’ll give you an example. I had the CEO and President of Visit Detroit a couple of years ago on my podcast. We talked about the 2024 NFL draft coming to Detroit. As a result of helping them promote the fact that the draft was coming to Detroit, they invited me as a personal support worker to attend the Lions team in their luxurious suite for the day. Usually, those leads go for about $13,000 a pop. I got in for doing a 25-minute interview and making that connection with that particular organization.

This upcoming February 2024, it’s all going to come full circle because I’m going to give a speech to their staff at Visit Detroit and the Detroit Sports Commission about how to build an inclusive culture and use resilience as a pillar for that strategy. It comes full circle. There are residual events proportionally and professionally. Certainly, I’ve used it to get speaking engagements and continue that conversation as well.

I love that. That’s such a great story and such a great opportunity. Let’s talk a little bit about resilience because resilience is something you have strengthened spades on. Most people don’t realize that we do need some resilience as a podcaster. It’s not the easiest road.

The Six-Year Stretch

You are right about that. One of the reasons I love podcasting so much is what I call the six-year stretch. It took me six years out of college to get my first paying job and to hone my journalism skills. Before I even got into podcasting, I started doing YouTube videos about the Detroit Lions and sports in general. Through that, other people saw the work that I did and said, “You’re really good at podcasting. You should think about it as a career.” I used the experience of my resilience in those six years.

I graduated college in June 2010. I didn’t get my first paycheck from an actual job until February 2016. In the interim, I’m a person that always loves to grow. I would post commentary from a podcasting perspective, whether it be my own personal analysis of sports. The reason I started my own, the Let’s Have This Conversation podcast, is I wanted to prove to myself that I could cover more than sports. I started the podcast in May 2020. I have recorded 841 episodes in under three and a half years. Almost 500 million people have watched the show on YouTube and at least almost 10,000 people have downloaded it on Apple Podcasts, so I must be doing something right.

I said this on Kevin’s show. Kevin is among the elite of the elite. Those who get over 750 episodes are elite podcasters. There are less than 1% of 1% that do that, so it’s amazing what he has done.

Before we move on, I’ll give you a turning point in my life. I found out at the age of nine that I wouldn’t be able to walk for the duration of my life. I have an identical twin brother and my brother and I were both born with cerebral palsy. My brother grew out of his cerebral palsy, but I never did. The turning point in my life happened in the summer of 1998 when I came back from Valley Children’s Hospital.

The doctor who had performed all of my pediatric surgeries for my disability put my parents and me in a hospital conference room when I was nine years old. He was going through the benefits and what they were hoping they came through the surgery. At the end of the meeting, he stopped my parents and said, “Unfortunately, we’ve done everything we can do for Kevin from a medical perspective. He won’t be able to walk.” The next day, I had to go back to school and process what that meant for the rest of my life.

The Only Limitations On Your Life

I credit my middle school principal, and her name was Dr. Carol Crewley, for changing the desperate point of my life. She called me down to the office the day that I started my fourth year of elementary school. She had everybody assigned to my file from teachers to social workers to therapists. My parents were there. She left a big space in the middle of her office for my work share.

I went through the story and what the doctor had told myself and my parents the day before that I wouldn’t be able to walk for the rest of my life. Dr. Crewley already knew what I was going to tell her, but she let me tell the entire story. It was a cathartic experience for me. She stopped at the end of the story, put her hand on my shoulder, and said, “The only limitations on your life are the artificial ones that you placed on yourself from a personal perspective.” That was the changing trajectory point in my life. I wanted to share that with you.

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Do you see why Kevin makes a great inspirational speaker? I think about that so often. Often, I see my clients. I see people out there. I see great entrepreneurs out there with such promise, but they’ve put these expectations and limitations on themselves. They’re not what’s going on out there. They’ve allowed those limitations to be set for themselves.

You’re saying, “I have the limitations, but that doesn’t mean it’s limiting. I’m going to find a creative way around it. I’m going to figure out a change. I’m going to be resilient. I’m going to take longer than other people to do this.” I cannot imagine the amount of second-guessing, which is where our brains go into overdrive, over the course of the six years that you were waiting to make your first paycheck. You didn’t have doubts. They happened all the time there. What strength did you tap into to be able to push that down? That’s the voice we let get to us.

This is very simple to me. I view life through lenses. I believe that we’re all coming with a deck of cards in life. It’s incumbent upon all of us to make our deck of cards work for us. I always tell people, “You can either work for your circumstances or you can make your circumstances for you.” I firmly believe that we all come with a life compass in life. It’s incumbent upon all of us to point it in the direction that we want it to go.

We all have our own definitions of expectations. In my view, if you don’t make your own standard of expectations, it’s really hard to reach the level of somebody else’s. Throughout the course of my life, I’ve always tried to stack the deck of cards that I was dealt in my favor. I always tell people that resiliency is the test of adversity once adversity strikes. Your resilience spirit answers to the test of adversity. That’s how I look at life. I hope that answers your question.

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What you’re saying is so critically important for us to remember. Sometimes, we haven’t stepped into that adversity and met the challenge that was put in front of us. We are like, “Defeat,” and accept it. We let that circumstance make the best of us instead of making the best of it.

I always tell people the worst that someone can tell you is no. You go back to the lab, tweak a couple of things, and keep going in life. Everyone’s portrait of success is different. The way I paint a picture of a portrait of success will be different from you because your life experiences are different. I interviewed a guy named Justin Growth. Justin is a certified personal trainer and a master trainer. He does competitive bodybuilding.

In our interview, he said, “The worst thing that you can do is give yourself a forensic audit against somebody else because you’re always chasing somebody else’s expectations.” I ’m not discouraging people from getting professional mentors because they’re vitally important, but if you don’t pour the foundation and paint your own standard of expectations, it’s really hard to develop that resilient spirit we’ve been talking about.

Mentorship and inspiration are very different from modeling someone. That’s emulation. That’s so true. We are looking for mentorship and inspiration, but we have to synthesize that into what’s going to work for us, what our ultimate goals are, what we want to do out of life, and how able we are to be able to take advantage of something. That’s what you are doing all the time with the questions that you’re asking with the model of your show. You’re really demonstrating that.

I believe that if you don’t celebrate what your defining moment of difference is or what your strengths are, you are deluding the rest of us by not working on yourself. I believe that one of the greatest things we could ever do is tap into the diversity of perspectives because everyone’s life and professional experiences are different. It’s incumbent upon all of us to work on ourselves and be a little bit selfish so that we can pour a cup of strength when we want to influence others in a positive way.

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That’s so important. I am so glad you came onto the show. It would be remiss of me if I didn’t touch on a couple of tactical things that people want to know about how you do something. Your YouTube is off the chart in terms of success rate. 500 million views is amazing. What is the key to success on YouTube? There are a lot of podcasters trying both. Is there a difference between what you do on YouTube and what you do in your podcast or is it the same?

It’s the same. The way that I got 500,000 views is paid marketing. I use a site called Sprizzy. The great thing about Sprizzy is it’s not one of those robots that buy so many views and you get this number of subscribers and sometimes, they fall off. Using Rezi and my own journalism training allows me to create an audience of people that wouldn’t normally see my content. The great thing about Sprizzy is that they market to actual people instead of robots on YouTube.

That’s what we all want here. We want some real humans to take a look at our stuff.

I use Sprizzy. I also use my own differentiating factor. I do my show as my own version of 60 Minutes. I usually take 2 to 3 minutes, sometimes 4 if I’m really excited about this guest. I am giving you a synopsis before I bring in the interviewee because I believe if you have contextual, factual information about a podcast before you say, “I’m interviewing this person about finance,” how does that relate to my life? I use my introduction for that.

Consistency Is The Key

The biggest piece of advice I can give people for success on YouTube is to find what makes your content personable to other people and be consistent about creating and distributing content. Once you build an audience, they’re going to expect that you create content on a consistent basis. Especially if you want to be a full-time YouTuber, consistency is the key to everything.

It’s consistency and doing more. You doing 2 to 3 a week has helped you with the podcast and it helps you with YouTube as well.

You diversify channels. A big mistake that people make is they host something on YouTube and they’re hoping that the magic of YouTube begins or comes. D ivide the content into shorter content or bite-size pieces of content. Make your content into sections on YouTube. For instance, for my podcast, I believe I have 6 to 7 sections, whether it be fitness, national news, politics, or people and their stories. I really try to separate my content into different sections to make it more digestible for people.

The key to having a great YouTube channel, too, is having a great trail of videos so that you can grab people’s attention in the first 30 to 90 seconds. In journalism and podcasting, people’s attention spans are shorter. In a podcasting sense, if you can tell people what your podcast is about in the first 90 seconds of them clicking on your YouTube channel or listening to a podcast, it goes a long way, for sure.

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They’ll stick around and they want more. That’s how they binge on you. I am so glad we met. This is my favorite thing about Alex Sanfilippo’s PodMatch, who I love, because he has introduced me to so many amazing people. You are one of them. I am glad you are in my circle. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being an amazing 800-plus podcaster of Let’s Have This Conversation.

It was delightful to engage in a conversation with you and talk about life, resilience, and everything in between. I love the space of podcasting and the connective tissue that brings this all together. I appreciate the opportunity to engage in conversation with you. You’re doing great things with your e ndeavors. It was a real honor to engage in conversation with you. Thank you so very much for having me.


I told you. Six years before he got paid on his job, a job that he was doing really successfully, and we’re whining about our show not making enough money? The reality is that we’re having an impact. We’re moving things forward in our business. We’re filling our YouTube channels, our social media, and our websites with stuff. There is payment. It’s not a check being written out to us every single day. We’re having an impact that is making a difference.

Someone like Kevin knows that. He really knows what is going on in our world of podcasting and the difference you can make with it. He is not missing a day to make his voice heard. I want you to get inspired by that. I was. It made me feel like, “I need to double down and be much more committed this year.”

I took that and took his advice on the twelve questions of consequence. He made it a more concerted effort, and I’ve been doing this for over the 3,000 interviews that I’ve done. If I could learn something from Kevin, you can certainly learn something from anyone that you come across. It could be someone who you’re interviewing or someone who you’re listening to . I’m so thrilled that I was able to bring Kevin to you. Think carefully about all the amounts of input and everything.

What we can’t do is let it paralyze us because paralysis is no excuse. Kevin taught me that in this interview. No excuse. There is nothing that I can’t do, I can’t try, or I can’t experiment with. We are able. If Kevin and people with disabilities are able in the way that they are, then we are capable and able to do so. We are capable of taking our shows to the next level, keep moving,  and keep doing all the things.

I am so grateful to have met Kevin McShan. I’m so grateful for Let’s Have This Conversation. I’m so grateful for having been a guest on his. R each out to him. He’s always grateful to be on someone’s podcast, so invite him to your show. I’ll be back next time with another podcaster. I’m sure they’ll be fantastic, but this one is really memorable. Please go listen to Kevin McShan’s Let’s Have This Conversation and come back here for another binge factor.


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Tracy Hazzard is a former Authority Magazine and Inc. Magazine Columnist on disruptive innovation, and host of 5 top-ranked podcasts including: The Binge Factor and Feed Your Brand–one of CIO’s Top 26 Entrepreneur Podcasts. She is the co-founder of Podetize, the largest podcast post-production company in the U.S. As a content, product, and influence strategist for networks, corporations, marketing agencies, entrepreneurs, publications, speakers, authors & experts, Tracy influences and casts branded content with $2 Billion worth of innovation around the world. Her marketing methods and AI-integrated platform, provides businesses of all sizes a system to spread their authentic voices from video to podcast to blog, growing an engaged audience and growing valuable digital authority.
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